Re: Atoko Point Route
Brian -- Yeah, I agree that this could be nearly the most obscure "authentic route" in Grand Canyon and I also sometimes have trouble believing anyone...
Doug Nering 2003-11-02 10:41:18 #25564

December Tonto/Hermit Questions
Hi, just received my permit for Mid-december. Horn Creek, Cedar Spring, Hermit Creek, Out. Yeehaa! "Seasonal water at Salt Creek and Cedar spring" are they...
paige_falk 2003-11-02 10:35:53 #25563

Snow Cover?
Hi, All -- Does anyone know where I can check for how far down in elevation there is snow cover on the South Rim? I'm hiking in to Phantom Ranch next week...
svleer 2003-11-02 10:18:15 #25562

Re: clear creek to river
Route down Clear Creek to the river is about 6 miles. About a half mile from the river is a pour off the requires about a 20 foot down climb on the right...
Bob Audretsch 2003-11-02 10:06:40 #25561

Re: Atoko Point Route
I too have tried this route twice in the past five years. The North Rim Backcountry Office has no record of their being a route and Harvey's trail...
Brian Cronin 2003-11-02 10:05:43 #25560

Re: "Canyon May Get Fast Rail"
According to the train's website http://www.thetrain.com/ NPS fee is $8/person for train ride and max speed of the current train is only 40 mph and is much...
Steve 2003-11-02 10:04:09 #25559

Re: clear creek
I don't have a great deal of experience, but did the Clear Creek last year in July heat. The trail was not difficult, but it seemed long...and we ran out...
beachboywantabe@aol.com 2003-11-02 10:02:48 #25558

Re: clear creek
with headlamps. We were in Phantom by 8:30 a.m. and I still burst > capillaries on the backs of my calves. Kam, What do you mean about bursting...
Mann Connie 2003-11-02 07:22:11 #25557

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