Re: Why is the canyon so blinking hard compared to...
John - I'm primarily interested in tracking hike times both up and down. Then relating them to a person's overall condition. Condition has a direct...
Ken McNamara 2001-02-04 18:17:25 #6683

Re: Tonto West of Cottonwood to River Route?????
I think that is the way down to Doc's mystery quartz sand beach also. I've been down it and hitched a ride to Clear Creek but never saw his beach. Looked...
Bob Marley 2001-02-04 16:07:28 #6682

Tonto West of Cottonwood to River Route?????
Looking for some info on a trail/route that descends from the Tonto to the river just West of Cottonwood Canyon. Supposedly marked on the Tonto with Cairn...
brianenichols@aol.com 2001-02-04 14:24:17 #6680

Re: KaibabPic
Firefly, I have taken the liberty of reducing your photo, using a neat little program that is available for free as a trial download from: ...
Smith 2001-02-04 13:50:51 #6679

Re: Canyoneering Ethics
John, I certainly never meant to imply that you were one of the bolting elitists. I was referring to the small percentage of climbers, usually young...
Bob Bordasch 2001-02-04 13:08:47 #6678

Re: Canyoneering Ethics
Don't get me wrong I'm certainly not rabid about bolting. It was just a discussion. You would be surprised by the umbrage people took with climbers placing...
Bob Marley 2001-02-04 12:14:58 #6677

Re: Canyoneering Ethics
Bob I don't think any one who climbs in the Canyon or at least those I have talked to take placing bolts lightly. The majority of climbers I know are...
John Nanke 2001-02-04 11:53:01 #6676

Re: Canyoneering Ethics
Different context I think. Fisher has created the meaning of one who explores Canyons on foot primarily being a "Canyoneer". He initially started writing...
Bob Marley 2001-02-04 11:43:30 #6675

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